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		<title>By: Johannes K. Drinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johannes K. Drinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I successfully transformed my traditional zebra Synth Kbd to a 3-row JANKO           ( http://www.live-styler.de/home/Janko%20Project.pdf ) , yet I soon lost the patience to relearn JANKO by ear. 
The problem is Klavarskribo is written for the traditional zebra Kbd layout. 
Solution and promise:
If someone of your smart programmers could create a program, for the JANKO Kbd (3 &amp; 6 layers) layout that would tempt many more young people to rediscover and enjoy the great benefits of the JANKO and its appropriate notation.
I already developed a design idea for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I successfully transformed my traditional zebra Synth Kbd to a 3-row JANKO           ( <a href="http://www.live-styler.de/home/Janko%20Project.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.live-styler.de/home/Janko%20Project.pdf</a> ) , yet I soon lost the patience to relearn JANKO by ear.<br />
The problem is Klavarskribo is written for the traditional zebra Kbd layout.<br />
Solution and promise:<br />
If someone of your smart programmers could create a program, for the JANKO Kbd (3 &amp; 6 layers) layout that would tempt many more young people to rediscover and enjoy the great benefits of the JANKO and its appropriate notation.<br />
I already developed a design idea for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou, thanks so much for sharing your story. It is truly inspiring. It&#039;s true that people can get defensive about traditional notation. After all, despite its difficulties, it is a huge success. (At least we don&#039;t have lots of dialects to contend with.) However, it&#039;s also a success at alienating people who would otherwise love to learn music. The great thing about Klavarskribo is that it gives them an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou, thanks so much for sharing your story. It is truly inspiring. It&#8217;s true that people can get defensive about traditional notation. After all, despite its difficulties, it is a huge success. (At least we don&#8217;t have lots of dialects to contend with.) However, it&#8217;s also a success at alienating people who would otherwise love to learn music. The great thing about Klavarskribo is that it gives them an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes James, a perfect rant! I enjoyed it too :)
And how right you are!

I am Dutch too by the way, I was just Googling on Klavarskribo and hit this blog.  
And a very interesting blog it is!

I have always loved piano&#039;s and music. So at age 12 I took piano lessons. I was thrilled, finally I would be able to decipher those notes on paper and play them too!  But soon I found out that reading music just wasn&#039;t for me.  When the lessons started I could manage to &#039;read&#039; it but as soon as the music started to get more complicated I just couldn&#039;t &#039;get&#039; it anymore. 

I sort of &#039;blocked&#039; when the score turned &#039;too busy&#039; because of the notation mess that was created a long time ago. I was stumped that music was written down in such a complicated way, so many things to remember (like key signatures) and it caused me to feel quite rebellious too. I struggled for years, getting to hate my piano and teacher. She must have thought I was really stupid!
So at 16, after four years of struggling I quit playing the piano. The fun and love for the piano was completely gone.

Several years ago at age 45 I bought an old piano in a wave of hope that certainly now as an adult I would certainly &#039;get&#039; it! I turned out to be a fast learner at college and in my profession, so what could be the problem!
I bought all kinds of books to learn how to read music. Took lessons.. but no avail. I STILL couldn&#039;t manage!

Then a few years ago my stepmother died, and in her belongings was a course Klavarskribo dated 1953.  It was on very old fashioned faint beige paper printed &#039;old typewriter style&#039; with brown ink.  I started lesson  number 1 and boy.. I went through the lessons like there was no tomorrow! At last I was able to read and play!! I sucked it all op like a sponge ;)

I wish I had known Klavar when I started playing when I was young, I missed out years of fun owning a piano, practice and I would have been a much better player now. A pity, really! 

And I am not the only one.. through the years I met several people (IRL an on the internet) who experienced the same &#039;blocking&#039; when old style (yes I call it OLD style) music gets complicated.  I would really like to know what it is that some folks just get blocked reading old style music.

I read several overheated discussions on pianoforums about other notations (like Klavar), and noticed people get really irritated by the idea that someone had the nerve to develop other notation systems, as their old system is holy ánd the best. They learned it, so can you. :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes James, a perfect rant! I enjoyed it too <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And how right you are!</p>
<p>I am Dutch too by the way, I was just Googling on Klavarskribo and hit this blog.<br />
And a very interesting blog it is!</p>
<p>I have always loved piano&#8217;s and music. So at age 12 I took piano lessons. I was thrilled, finally I would be able to decipher those notes on paper and play them too!  But soon I found out that reading music just wasn&#8217;t for me.  When the lessons started I could manage to &#8216;read&#8217; it but as soon as the music started to get more complicated I just couldn&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; it anymore. </p>
<p>I sort of &#8216;blocked&#8217; when the score turned &#8216;too busy&#8217; because of the notation mess that was created a long time ago. I was stumped that music was written down in such a complicated way, so many things to remember (like key signatures) and it caused me to feel quite rebellious too. I struggled for years, getting to hate my piano and teacher. She must have thought I was really stupid!<br />
So at 16, after four years of struggling I quit playing the piano. The fun and love for the piano was completely gone.</p>
<p>Several years ago at age 45 I bought an old piano in a wave of hope that certainly now as an adult I would certainly &#8216;get&#8217; it! I turned out to be a fast learner at college and in my profession, so what could be the problem!<br />
I bought all kinds of books to learn how to read music. Took lessons.. but no avail. I STILL couldn&#8217;t manage!</p>
<p>Then a few years ago my stepmother died, and in her belongings was a course Klavarskribo dated 1953.  It was on very old fashioned faint beige paper printed &#8216;old typewriter style&#8217; with brown ink.  I started lesson  number 1 and boy.. I went through the lessons like there was no tomorrow! At last I was able to read and play!! I sucked it all op like a sponge <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wish I had known Klavar when I started playing when I was young, I missed out years of fun owning a piano, practice and I would have been a much better player now. A pity, really! </p>
<p>And I am not the only one.. through the years I met several people (IRL an on the internet) who experienced the same &#8216;blocking&#8217; when old style (yes I call it OLD style) music gets complicated.  I would really like to know what it is that some folks just get blocked reading old style music.</p>
<p>I read several overheated discussions on pianoforums about other notations (like Klavar), and noticed people get really irritated by the idea that someone had the nerve to develop other notation systems, as their old system is holy ánd the best. They learned it, so can you. :/</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, great tutorial, history lesson, and rant wrapped into one! :-) Thanks for sharing the resource here. I enjoyed reading it.

I especially like how you changed the perspective on the keyboard, using a front-on view. That makes the mapping even more obvious. Just out of curiosity, I wonder how Klavar would look if it used squares instead of circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, great tutorial, history lesson, and rant wrapped into one! <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for sharing the resource here. I enjoyed reading it.</p>
<p>I especially like how you changed the perspective on the keyboard, using a front-on view. That makes the mapping even more obvious. Just out of curiosity, I wonder how Klavar would look if it used squares instead of circles.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kelso</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kelso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 07:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Evan,
I&#039;ve been a fan of Klavaskribo for many years and have written about it on my website. If you or anyone else is interested you can find it here:
http://www.kelsopaintings.com/JK_Paintings_Test_site/Music.html
Regards
James Kelso
The Well House
Christmas Common
Watlington
Oxon
OX49 5HJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Evan,<br />
I&#8217;ve been a fan of Klavaskribo for many years and have written about it on my website. If you or anyone else is interested you can find it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.kelsopaintings.com/JK_Paintings_Test_site/Music.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kelsopaintings.com/JK_Paintings_Test_site/Music.html</a><br />
Regards<br />
James Kelso<br />
The Well House<br />
Christmas Common<br />
Watlington<br />
Oxon<br />
OX49 5HJ</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Mascioli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Mascioli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The http://www.klavarscore.co.uk website is active again.
Thanks to the renewed interest for the project (and financial support!), we are now independently promoting the notation in the community.
We are preparing for a pilot scheme in the Bershire area of the United Kingdom after the summer holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.klavarscore.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.klavarscore.co.uk</a> website is active again.<br />
Thanks to the renewed interest for the project (and financial support!), we are now independently promoting the notation in the community.<br />
We are preparing for a pilot scheme in the Bershire area of the United Kingdom after the summer holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Mascioli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Mascioli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Frances, Dear Evan,

I arrived here while searching for the Mirck version of Klavarskribo from Mrs Mirck. 
I am the person responsible for the http://www.klavarscore.co.uk website.
Thank you for subscribing to the newsletter.
I am sorry to say that, as you can see from the home page of the website, the project had to be put on stand-by. The comment from Mr Fons Doomen in a post above, &quot;... Klavarskribo Foundation, the remains of the once very big Institute founded by Cor Pot...&quot; says it all.
I invested reasonable figures in time and money, together with other generous investors, to re-vitalise the activities of the Foundation and give them a &quot;vision for the future&quot;. After three months of meetings and attempts, I had to throw the towel.
I have the possibility to create a catalogue of music in any easy-to-read notation, either klavarskribo or another, and I would welcome any suggestion.
I welcome the Mirck modifications to Pot&#039;s notation; however, the fact that the klavarskribo notation doesn&#039;t score very well on the musicnotation.org website stops worries me a bit. Their requirement 13 prevents Pot&#039;s klavarskribo to qualify and I would be grateful for any explanation on how Mrs Mirck&#039;s version is mentioned. Is it perhaps because of the horizontal staff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Frances, Dear Evan,</p>
<p>I arrived here while searching for the Mirck version of Klavarskribo from Mrs Mirck.<br />
I am the person responsible for the <a href="http://www.klavarscore.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.klavarscore.co.uk</a> website.<br />
Thank you for subscribing to the newsletter.<br />
I am sorry to say that, as you can see from the home page of the website, the project had to be put on stand-by. The comment from Mr Fons Doomen in a post above, &#8220;&#8230; Klavarskribo Foundation, the remains of the once very big Institute founded by Cor Pot&#8230;&#8221; says it all.<br />
I invested reasonable figures in time and money, together with other generous investors, to re-vitalise the activities of the Foundation and give them a &#8220;vision for the future&#8221;. After three months of meetings and attempts, I had to throw the towel.<br />
I have the possibility to create a catalogue of music in any easy-to-read notation, either klavarskribo or another, and I would welcome any suggestion.<br />
I welcome the Mirck modifications to Pot&#8217;s notation; however, the fact that the klavarskribo notation doesn&#8217;t score very well on the musicnotation.org website stops worries me a bit. Their requirement 13 prevents Pot&#8217;s klavarskribo to qualify and I would be grateful for any explanation on how Mrs Mirck&#8217;s version is mentioned. Is it perhaps because of the horizontal staff?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting! I was just about to ask what the link was. :-)

I subscribed to the newsletter too. Thanks again, Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting! I was just about to ask what the link was. <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I subscribed to the newsletter too. Thanks again, Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, being a bit thick [should be in bed!] forgot to put the link in, and it&#039;s different from the others, though you&#039;ll see it&#039;s connected.
The link is http://www.klavarscore.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article/103
I have had one newsletter since registering, so hope this will take off and get the music going around again.
Cheers,
Fran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, being a bit thick [should be in bed!] forgot to put the link in, and it&#8217;s different from the others, though you&#8217;ll see it&#8217;s connected.<br />
The link is <a href="http://www.klavarscore.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article/103" rel="nofollow">http://www.klavarscore.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article/103</a><br />
I have had one newsletter since registering, so hope this will take off and get the music going around again.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Fran</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Evan,
I&#039;ve just taken up Klavarskribo piano again, having playing it until I was around 17, and a little bit in twenties, and now 40 years later, got a new keyboard!! I am pleased to add that I too found the Nederlands site, with lots of english language going on, and they are still working on it. There&#039;s some free tunes to be had so worth revisiting. Whilst Southampton are charging for music, Holland seems to working more on releasing it free. I have a fair bit of old stuff, and will ask Holland if they will consider shareware, so we can all add in our ancient stuff, without costing a fortune. 
Hope this helps, and hope by now your brain is deprogrammed from the old notation!
Best wishes, Fran, Dorset</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Evan,<br />
I&#8217;ve just taken up Klavarskribo piano again, having playing it until I was around 17, and a little bit in twenties, and now 40 years later, got a new keyboard!! I am pleased to add that I too found the Nederlands site, with lots of english language going on, and they are still working on it. There&#8217;s some free tunes to be had so worth revisiting. Whilst Southampton are charging for music, Holland seems to working more on releasing it free. I have a fair bit of old stuff, and will ask Holland if they will consider shareware, so we can all add in our ancient stuff, without costing a fortune.<br />
Hope this helps, and hope by now your brain is deprogrammed from the old notation!<br />
Best wishes, Fran, Dorset</p>
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