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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://evanlenz.net/blog/2008/09/10/does-christianity-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-42986</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, good to hear from you. Sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for the book recommendation. I believe I own &quot;Life Together&quot; but haven&#039;t read it yet. :-)

I guess what I mean is that the American church blends in too much, too often. It seems like there should be more cultural (counter-cultural) distinctives. But I don&#039;t want to promote a critical, complaining attitude, so I&#039;m looking forward to moving this article &quot;below the fold&quot; on my website. The church consists of people like me, so it starts with me. I&#039;m not doing any good if I just sit on the sidelines and complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, good to hear from you. Sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for the book recommendation. I believe I own &#8220;Life Together&#8221; but haven&#8217;t read it yet. <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I guess what I mean is that the American church blends in too much, too often. It seems like there should be more cultural (counter-cultural) distinctives. But I don&#8217;t want to promote a critical, complaining attitude, so I&#8217;m looking forward to moving this article &#8220;below the fold&#8221; on my website. The church consists of people like me, so it starts with me. I&#8217;m not doing any good if I just sit on the sidelines and complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ligget</title>
		<link>http://evanlenz.net/blog/2008/09/10/does-christianity-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-42963</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ligget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Evan.....I&#039;ve been looking over the sites and blogs from the 0-300 workshop, and I didn&#039;t expect to see something like this. But religion in general and Christianity in particular are big parts of my life, and I define myself by my own faith. Without getting into all that, your post above is interesting and like another who posted I immediately thought of CS Lewis. Mere Christianity I read and refer too pretty regularly and in response to your questions above I recommend that and I also thought of the ending sentence from a piece he wrote called &quot;Is Theology Poetry?&quot; which says: &quot;I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.&quot; I also recommend Dietrich Bonhoeffer, especially his little book Life Together.
 I have to think a little more about what you mean by the American Christian message, and maybe you can expand on that sometime. Do you mean Christianity as espoused by the various churches and denominations in America? American culture creeping into sermons? 
Good meeting you back in RI. Staying focused on what we learned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Evan&#8230;..I&#8217;ve been looking over the sites and blogs from the 0-300 workshop, and I didn&#8217;t expect to see something like this. But religion in general and Christianity in particular are big parts of my life, and I define myself by my own faith. Without getting into all that, your post above is interesting and like another who posted I immediately thought of CS Lewis. Mere Christianity I read and refer too pretty regularly and in response to your questions above I recommend that and I also thought of the ending sentence from a piece he wrote called &#8220;Is Theology Poetry?&#8221; which says: &#8220;I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.&#8221; I also recommend Dietrich Bonhoeffer, especially his little book Life Together.<br />
 I have to think a little more about what you mean by the American Christian message, and maybe you can expand on that sometime. Do you mean Christianity as espoused by the various churches and denominations in America? American culture creeping into sermons?<br />
Good meeting you back in RI. Staying focused on what we learned?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://evanlenz.net/blog/2008/09/10/does-christianity-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-42918</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil, thanks so much for your comments. You know what&#039;s really trippy? You popped into my head recently too, on Wednesday evening as I was driving home from work. And here you are on my blog. Must be destiny. :-)

I&#039;m with you on Thomas Merton. I haven&#039;t read a lot of his writing, but I did read a book called &quot;Contemplative Prayer&quot;. I&#039;d definitely like to read more.

I&#039;m with you on the abuse of religion for political and economic power. A book you might find interesting is &quot;Jesus for President&quot;.

I&#039;m also with you on embracing commonalities and reaching out to people of different faiths or no claimed faith.

I also agree that we shouldn&#039;t limit God to what our mind can grasp. Once we feel like we &quot;own God&quot;, that&#039;s when things get dangerous.

As for the exclusivity of Christ, I&#039;ve been wrestling with that for a long time. But when I&#039;m drawn to a more inclusive, all-roads-lead-to-God outlook, I find the Christian faith losing its distinctiveness. A lot of what Jesus says is offensive to us enlightened postmoderns. But I think that&#039;s also where lies its power (in a good way). I&#039;m continually getting backed into a corner by the words of Jesus and of Paul in the New Testament. I think I&#039;ll leave it at that for now.

Thanks again so much for your thoughtful comments. It&#039;s good to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil, thanks so much for your comments. You know what&#8217;s really trippy? You popped into my head recently too, on Wednesday evening as I was driving home from work. And here you are on my blog. Must be destiny. <img src='http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on Thomas Merton. I haven&#8217;t read a lot of his writing, but I did read a book called &#8220;Contemplative Prayer&#8221;. I&#8217;d definitely like to read more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the abuse of religion for political and economic power. A book you might find interesting is &#8220;Jesus for President&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also with you on embracing commonalities and reaching out to people of different faiths or no claimed faith.</p>
<p>I also agree that we shouldn&#8217;t limit God to what our mind can grasp. Once we feel like we &#8220;own God&#8221;, that&#8217;s when things get dangerous.</p>
<p>As for the exclusivity of Christ, I&#8217;ve been wrestling with that for a long time. But when I&#8217;m drawn to a more inclusive, all-roads-lead-to-God outlook, I find the Christian faith losing its distinctiveness. A lot of what Jesus says is offensive to us enlightened postmoderns. But I think that&#8217;s also where lies its power (in a good way). I&#8217;m continually getting backed into a corner by the words of Jesus and of Paul in the New Testament. I think I&#8217;ll leave it at that for now.</p>
<p>Thanks again so much for your thoughtful comments. It&#8217;s good to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: wil moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wil moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry cs lewis wrote mere chridtianity. but ive really like thomas merton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry cs lewis wrote mere chridtianity. but ive really like thomas merton.</p>
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		<title>By: wil moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wil moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evan, this is wil, i live up the street from you in mirrormont. for some reason you popped in to my head when i was looking for music and remembered how as a kid you were always playing the piano. 

to respond to this post. i feel the world is gotten to the point where we can look around to the multitude of cultures and religions and see that they all have very similar basic foundations. i respect christianity for that, its basic message of love and doing good. what i do not agree with is for any religon to claim to be the only way, the only path to salvation. 

&quot;Who are these people these stories are about, and why should I care? What do these ancient texts have to do with my life in America? Aren’t they just archaic instruments of power, used over the centuries by the Church to bend people to obedience (and break them if necessary)? &quot;

i have actually been thinking lately that Jesus&#039; message was used and distorted by the church founders. there is no way that he would condone all the religous wars that have been fought in his name. what is sad to me is to see the people in power in our government tarnishing christiantiy so badly, claiming to be christians but waging war and collecting wealth. i really feel the only way for peace is for people to embrace the common ground in their respective faiths and not dwell on the minor differences, and to realize that God is not something to be defined by the limited human mind, he is above religon. 

this is all my opinion obviously and i am not in any way saying christianity is the wrong path. i&#039;ve read some thomas merton and his &quot;mere christianity&quot; is amazing. 

If you have any recorded music around on the internet you should email me the link. Im curious to see how far you&#039;ve developed since you were 14 or whenever i last heard you play. Also feel free to respond to my rant. hope all is well with you and your family, wil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evan, this is wil, i live up the street from you in mirrormont. for some reason you popped in to my head when i was looking for music and remembered how as a kid you were always playing the piano. </p>
<p>to respond to this post. i feel the world is gotten to the point where we can look around to the multitude of cultures and religions and see that they all have very similar basic foundations. i respect christianity for that, its basic message of love and doing good. what i do not agree with is for any religon to claim to be the only way, the only path to salvation. </p>
<p>&#8220;Who are these people these stories are about, and why should I care? What do these ancient texts have to do with my life in America? Aren’t they just archaic instruments of power, used over the centuries by the Church to bend people to obedience (and break them if necessary)? &#8221;</p>
<p>i have actually been thinking lately that Jesus&#8217; message was used and distorted by the church founders. there is no way that he would condone all the religous wars that have been fought in his name. what is sad to me is to see the people in power in our government tarnishing christiantiy so badly, claiming to be christians but waging war and collecting wealth. i really feel the only way for peace is for people to embrace the common ground in their respective faiths and not dwell on the minor differences, and to realize that God is not something to be defined by the limited human mind, he is above religon. </p>
<p>this is all my opinion obviously and i am not in any way saying christianity is the wrong path. i&#8217;ve read some thomas merton and his &#8220;mere christianity&#8221; is amazing. </p>
<p>If you have any recorded music around on the internet you should email me the link. Im curious to see how far you&#8217;ve developed since you were 14 or whenever i last heard you play. Also feel free to respond to my rant. hope all is well with you and your family, wil.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Evan,

Certainly not a well organized site . . . but reading these two links has the potential to . . . well read and consider the content for yourself . . . here:  http://whatmatters.org/intro.html   . . . and then here:  http://whatmatters.org/faqs.html  . . . scroll down and read it all, the links are anchors within the same page.

Take care, Chris H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Evan,</p>
<p>Certainly not a well organized site . . . but reading these two links has the potential to . . . well read and consider the content for yourself . . . here:  <a href="http://whatmatters.org/intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://whatmatters.org/intro.html</a>   . . . and then here:  <a href="http://whatmatters.org/faqs.html" rel="nofollow">http://whatmatters.org/faqs.html</a>  . . . scroll down and read it all, the links are anchors within the same page.</p>
<p>Take care, Chris H</p>
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		<description>Christianity has been twisted and warped to such an extent that not even Jesus would recognize it now. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bible.postedpost.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tiger Christianity&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity has been twisted and warped to such an extent that not even Jesus would recognize it now. <a href="http://bible.postedpost.com/" rel="nofollow">Tiger Christianity</a></p>
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		<description>[...]  Does Christianity make sense?  The basic Christian message in America, and all the cultural context with which I associate it, are divorced from its rich, Jewish heritage. We don&#8217;t have religious forefathers. We&#8217;re too American for such things. . [...]</description>
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